h/t to ugsome:
Iam a perfect example of why the fight against Proposition 8, which amends the state Constitution to ban same-sex marriage, failed to win black support.I am black. I am a political activist who cares deeply about social justice issues. I am a lesbian. This year, I canvassed the streets of South Los Angeles and Compton, knocking on doors, talking politics to passers-by and working as I never had before to ensure a large voter turnout among African Americans. But even I wasn’t inspired to encourage black people to vote against the proposition.
Why? Because I don’t see why the right to marry should be a priority for me or other black people. Gay marriage? Please. At a time when blacks are still more likely than whites to be pulled over for no reason, more likely to be unemployed than whites, more likely to live at or below the poverty line, I was too busy trying to get black people registered to vote, period; I wasn’t about to focus my attention on what couldn’t help but feel like a secondary issue.
In case you’re wondering how such a narrow minded load of crap could get published in the LA Times, it is because this is the MSM’s attempt to use the race card to squash the palpable anger in the gay community. It is not the fault of Obama, or the AA community, or even this self righteous bigot, it is our fault for having the audacity to think that we are just as equal to every other American. We should be ashamed to ask for our civil rights without first ensuring that every insult against the black community is paid in full. I say NO. NO to this kind of morrally repulsive game of “my victimhood is more important than yours”. Because according to Jasmyne Cannick’s rules, she is always going to be first in line for that handout, and everyone else is not only selfish for wanting theirs too, but they’re racist for daring to equate their discrimination to that of blacks. The fact that she admits that gay marriage is a “secondary issue” invalidates anything she has to say about civil rights. But she feels full license to do so.
Second is the issue of civil rights. White gays often wonder aloud why blacks, of all people, won’t support their civil rights. There is a real misunderstanding by the white gay community about the term. Proponents of gay marriage fling it around as if it is a one-size-fits-all catchphrase for issues of fairness.
But the black civil rights movement was essentially born out of and driven by the black church; social justice and religion are inextricably intertwined in the black community.
Like Cannick, apparently many black people, gay or straight, feel like this is an issue that belongs to them. No it doesn’t. It belongs to all of us. Civil rights are human rights. If it has become wrapped up in christianity in your community, that is your problem, not mine. Nobody seems to have any trouble calling white christians to task for supporting Prop 8. In case Ms. Cannick isn’t aware, a lot of white christian churches were heavily involved in the civil rights movement as well. Jews also played their part. But this is not a religious issue. It is a an issue of human dignity and equality. However, I’m not even willing to accept her premise. The wife of Rev Martin Luther King Jr herself said before she passed that he would have seen gay rights as part of the same struggle for equality for which he gave his life. I’ll take his word over Ms. Cannick’s any day.
But finally we get to what this hate speech is really all about:
Maybe next time around — because we all know this isn’t over — the gay community can demonstrate the capacity and willingness to change that America demonstrated when it went to the polls on Nov. 4. Black gays are depending on their white counterparts to finally “get it.”
This isn’t about civil rights, or gay rights, or the black church. This is about revenge. Jasmyne is angry at gay people like me, correction white gay people like me, who had the audacity to not vote for His Preciousness. See, according to her, this election was about paying for the sins of the past, and how dare we not comply. The price we pay is having our rights denied. It doesn’t matter that the gay community did overwhelmingly support Obama, the fact that a good chunk saw that Obama was a homophobe and didn’t vote for him is enough to sentence us all to second class citizenship.
Until this kind of juvenile approach to civil rights is denounced by both the African American and gay communities, neither will ever be free. This is yet another sick consequence of an Obama victory. People like Cannick fell like they can use something as sacred as the civil rights movement as a blunt instrument to bludgeon anyone who dared oppose Obama. Ironically this type of disgusting rhetoric may very well work. Goons like Cannick know that most gays do want to advance the civil rights struggle of the African American community and are bound to second guess their initial reaction to this vote. We can not let this happen. Cannick is nothing but one of Obama’s brown-shirted thugs making sure that your thought is pure and make sure that you feel adequately shamed so as to remain silent. And as someone in comments said…
SILENCE=DEATH And in case you don’t believe me, I’ll bump up the video from the last post:
November 9, 2008 at 5:23 pm
“Jasmyne is angry at gay people like me, correction white gay people like me, who had the audacity to not vote for His Preciousness. See, according to her, this election was about paying for the sins of the past, and how dare we not comply.”
Dare I raise the issue of identity politics and voting here? I got trashed, thrashed, dissed, called names, moderated, then deleted at RD of all places for saying I was puzzled by how many Clinton sup-porters seemed to be able to e see Palin as a reasonable alternative in so many way. I was told I was an Obot, a troll, was told to shut up for being off topic by one moderator, then a had another one gloating that I hadn’t answered his or her c question…man..talk about a hate-r-rama!
I’m not sure who this would play out with homosexual candidates, since there are so few openly gay/lesbian pols out there (and in my state at least, with good reason).
But I”m not on board with the notion that seems to have taken root among some former Linton supporters that “I’m voting for the woman, I don’t care what their political stance is, and anyone who isnt’ with me is a troll who should be roasted and toasted and stoned and deleted.”
It was rather disconcerting, frankly.
That said, I continue to be amazed by the blogospere this year, where progressives suddenly were fine with misogyny, where raising any questions about the qualifications for a half-AA politician to become President of the US was “racist” and where saying that Sarah Palin is frightening to me as a Democrat because I see her as a far more attractively packaged Dick Cheney makes me subject to attacks and name calling.
Sheesh..HAS the Obamabot Style taken over the entire blog world?
November 9, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Obama’s style is based on “Rules for Radicals.” Basically, keep everyone angry.
He unleashed the poison and set neighbor against neighbor as a way to gain power. Whatever you call this over-wrought divisive toxin, it has permeated the blogosphere. I feel comfortable calling it the “Obama Style.”
Obama will continue to use these hate fueled, rabble rousing tactics to govern. It is to his advantage to create anger and confusion among Americans. He is King Rat.
Like Abraham Lincoln, I pray that “the better of angels of our nature” will prevail.
November 9, 2008 at 5:51 pm
Rima, I’m not familiar with the specifics of your experience. I do recall the general sentiment of the time…for the first few weeks after John McCain announced Sarah Palin, the LEFT wing media trashed her in sexist terms, not on her policy positions. For me (still a bitter Clinton dead-ender), I’d seen that movie already…I knew all the lines by heart, and I wasn’t about to let it have the same ending. Know that I don’t and didn’t agree with Palin on one issue. In fact, at her acceptance speech, she dissed Miranda! Not one “journalist” discussed that. But anything about her children, experience (which was more than BO’s), outfits, hair, ankles, and intellect was fair game. I know I came to a point where I stopped caring about her views on the issues and thought. “if this woman loses, all women lose and if they win (they being the powers behind BO), they can rewrite “the narrative” on any of us.”
I don’t think it was right for whomever to call you an Obot troll, but I think it would have been obvious at the time to figure out how a bunch of liberal Hillary supporters came to endorse and/or defend Palin.
Now that the election is over, the MSM is spending their time continuing to try to bring down both Palin and Clinton. This marginalization of women isn’t going to lead to anywhere good. Perhaps it’s not the marginalization of women…perhaps it’s just a class thing expressed in sexist terms. I don’t see that leading to a happy place either.
November 9, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Obama seems to attract people who have a very low opinion of themselves and their own interests.
November 9, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Gary I hate to say this and it’s probably going to be taken the wrong way but I can’t exactly phrase what I’m feeling.
AA’s will not let gay people in on the Civil Rights issue. It’s theirs and theirs alone. Let’s face it; careers have been launched and made on the issue. I’m not speaking of true AA leaders like King, Lewis, Conyers et al. Look how they pilloried Hillary when she spoke the truth about Lyndon Johnson getting the Civil Rights Act passed.
I mean no offense to African Americans but the hypocrisy in their community on gay rights stinks.
November 9, 2008 at 6:28 pm
These sell-out bloggers are working hard in a small time frame. They have only so much time to incite as much hate as possible and seize one of those limited chairs as the newest msm prostitute. Jasmyne Cannick, Pam Spaulding, Arovosis, Taylor Marsh and others all want what Rachel Maddow got by donating her credibility to the Obamanation.
They want to sit with Keith, Chris and Wolf and trash those who won’t buy into that day’s lies. Their sites, even before they drank the kool-aid, were chock full of self promotion to their latest few seconds on television or radio. They assured us they were doing it for us because we were too insignificant to be heard. They elevated their blogging “status” by attracting readers with a certain ideologies but were quick to dismiss any of their beliefs in front of the camera and/or microphone.
I do believe they are very comfortable inciting homophobia and racial hatred but if the Obamanation promised a prize for inciting something else, they would be all over it. They do, however, seem to be experiencing a particular form of glee when they spew this specific venom. Could it be … self-loathing?
November 9, 2008 at 6:47 pm
“I don’t think it was right for whomever to call you an Obot troll, but I think it would have been obvious at the time to figure out how a bunch of liberal Hillary supporters came to endorse and/or defend Palin.”
Well..this took place yesterday..:). As for defending Palin, I did that and..with grave reservation..also c voted “for her. (Actually, McCain. I don’t think Palin is ready to be President, but she wasn’t s running for that office. I don’t think BO is ready either, but he was running for the office so…I voted McCain/Palin.)
I just think it’s a mistake to put on blinders as to where a politician stands based on color/gender/sexual orientation/whatever, and to then twist and turn their stances around in order to say “He/she is my kind of guy/gal!” If your stance is “I’m voting for the woman because she’s a woman and I don’t need to know anything more” fine, that is completely within your rights, just be honest about it, and stop dumping on AAs who voted for BO based on skin color.
(I had the same problem to a lesser degree with people who got mad because the media and BO trolls were making fun of Clinton’s ankles, etc, but who would then talk about “jug ears” and “purple lips.”
It would just be nice if people would apply the same standard across the board. I was lucky this year to have two Dems who happened to be women running locally, one for the State house, one for Congress, so I was able to concentrate what little I have to offer these days in the way of time, money, and other support to two women with whom I agreed on the issues. But had they been Republicans with Dem men running against them, the Dem men would have had my support instead. I want someone who will stand up for what I believe in more than I want someoen who “looks like me” in office.
Again, if someone wants to vote based on color or gender, it’s their right, just please, don’t try to turn Palin into a moderate along the way. There is a reason the Rep base was thrilled with her, and it’s not because she’s “moderate.” There are things to admire about her, but, that doesn’t make her into something she is not.
But again, my expressing this simple belief, that she’s dangerous BECAUSE she is an attractive “package” to present to voters, was enough to have the locals all but yelling “STONE HER!” which was a bit of a surprise.
November 9, 2008 at 6:55 pm
“Now that the election is over, the MSM is spending their time continuing to try to bring down both Palin and Clinton. This marginalization of women isn’t going to lead to anywhere good. Perhaps it’s not the marginalization of women…perhaps it’s just a class thing expressed in sexist terms. I don’t see that leading to a happy place either.”
Well “class” attacks were the rule of the day throughout BO’s campaign as well, and his Bots certainly wanted to imply that anyone who didn’t see things their way were just dumb, hicks, uneducated, whatever…and then Palin came along and they..Bots and teh media… played into that meme with her as well, which was both ugly, and sad. Much talk of “trailer trash” and such.
I don’t know about y’all, but I know some “trailer park trash” living in gated communities myself.
I cannot recall in my lifetime a more hate-filled and divisive campaign ever, including blogs where the slightest difference of opinion wasn’t discussed, but instead..led to instant trash talk and personal attacks.
I’m a retired trial lawyer…it’s pretty bad if I think the “tone of the debate” sucks. Then again, I’m used to having to win arguments under rules, and with a pretty level playing ground, and without even most judges willing to say “I don’t like what you just said, I’m going to silence you and strike all your words from the record here.”
But my little example isn’t important..the big picture, where hatred and personal attacks have replaced anything remotely resembling civilized debate on an issue, is. I am not an alarmist, not really, but I think I have some inkling of why our gay friends are truly frightened for their well-being, given how all too many Bots have responded to their every “victory” ….with still more venom and abuse. I’m just an OWL..”Old White Lady”..and not on anyone’s real radar screen, and at this pint, I”m glad of that.
November 9, 2008 at 6:58 pm
” They elevated their blogging “status” by attracting readers with a certain ideologies but were quick to dismiss any of their beliefs in front of the camera and/or microphone.
I do believe they are very comfortable inciting homophobia and racial hatred but if the Obamanation promised a prize for inciting something else, they would be all over it. They do, however, seem to be experiencing a particular form of glee when they spew this specific venom. Could it be … self-loathing?”
Oh dear…you had to remind me of the “Taylor Marsh Experience” where one day Obots were the trolls, BUT ,the next day,people who had given their hearts, souls, and wallets to Clinton were.
It’s been a strange year.
November 9, 2008 at 7:03 pm
I thought Hillary was qualified was the reason I was voting for her.
I thought McCain was qualified was the reason I voted for him.
I thought Palin was honest, qualified, refreshing, a hard worker and wasn’t attempting to put forth a social agenda that people had to fear.
Instead, we got an unqualified, dishonest, lazy, racist hate-monger with a social agenda that we yet to know the entire scope of!
CAROL HAKA
November 9, 2008 at 7:04 pm
Rima – These are sad and troubled times. I take comfort from reading history.I’m 56 and I’ve never seen such rancor in politics either. I like your acronym OWL! I can’t afford to retire yet and just lost my job this summer. At least my husband is still working. We are luckier than a lot of people.
Experience has shown me that nothing, good or bad, lasts forever. It’s just that right now things are pretty damn bad.
I wish we could get back to some kind of civility in our discourse. The stuff on the blogs is beyond ugly.
November 9, 2008 at 7:11 pm
“Experience has shown me that nothing, good or bad, lasts forever. It’s just that right now things are pretty damn bad.
I wish we could get back to some kind of civility in our discourse. The stuff on the blogs is beyond ugly.”
It’s beyond ugly and last I heard, no one was ever won over to a point of view by being called names for not sharing it.
Hopefully Gary will put up with even straight OWLs talking here…:). Because hate based on race, gender, sexual orientation, age, ethnicity, and other things we were born with and cannot change, is just wrong, and the gay community is small enough it could use people who share that belief in its corner….well..hope so anyway, I shouldn’t act as if I speak for anyone other than myself.
As for Palin, I also found her somewhat refreshing but still…she’s no moderate, and that is what an amazing number of former Clinton supporters have managed to come to believe. Doesn’t excuse the trash attacks on her and worse yet, her family, nothing would or could.
November 9, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Rima said: It would just be nice if people would apply the same standard across the board.
Amen to that!
November 9, 2008 at 7:20 pm
This black lesbian is a sell out to both communities. What she is promoting is racial identity over basic human rights. She probably wrongly attributes that he will “change” his stance once in office. No way. That is like saying the abusive boyfriend will somehow become someone different after the wedding. Not going to happen. And her illusions, if that is where she is coming from, do not hold up. He already plans on another run after this.
Don’t look for any “change” in that department anytime soon. He wants those votes!
November 9, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Rima – what is a moderate? I have lost my way in descriptive politics. I have gone to voting for what I believe the character is of the person running. I can live with different opinions as long as the person is living the mantra.
November 9, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Greta just left Sarah’s. She cooked Moose Chili for them and Piper helped serve.
I hate Obama!
CAROL HAKA
November 9, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Greta has some great pics of her visit with Sarah and Piper today. It will make you smile. Go look and smile. I order everyone to smile right now!
I mean it, you better be smiling
November 9, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Greta is okay in my book. One of the few who stood up agains the sexism that drove this election. Too bad her forum is not larger. Greta could have a stong impact.
November 9, 2008 at 7:56 pm
“Rima – what is a moderate? I have lost my way in descriptive politics. I have gone to voting for what I believe the character is of the person running. I can live with different opinions as long as the person is living the mantra.”
I’m willing to respect those who walk what they talk, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to vote for them if the “walk” isn’t’ one I agree with. (I’m sure that cleared things right up for you..;)).
Until this year, I was always able to vote for at least the “lesser evil” and also vote simultaneously for a platform I was more or less comfortable with. This year, that didn’t happen, though it was easier to vote for McCain based on his experience and competence, and despite many of his beliefs, than to vote to someone so unknown, so unvetted, so unexamined and untested any meaningful way as BO, because with the Dems controlling both branches of Congress, he would have been limited and had to govern from the middle.
(Phew. Talk about run on sentences.)
As for what is a moderate, in my book, it isn’t someone who is anti-abortion even in cases of rape or incest for starters. I will give points that that is a consistent belief…if you believe abortion is the murder of an innocent life, than how that life came into being shouldn’t matter…but it’s a choice that I think should be left up to the woman who is pregnant, not our government. I’d say a “moderate’; would see the need for some restrictions or limitations here and there, not simple abortion on demand at any stage of pregnancy.
BTW, I see myself as mostly liberal, but I’m also willing to acknowledge that my thoughts and beliefs are not the majority opinion. however, neither are those of those various loudmouths on the “religious right.” The difference is they seem to think it’s their way, or no way. I’d be willing to try to find compromises in various areas…surely there are some areas of mutual agreement for many in the middle? Efforts to find programs to reduce unplanned pregnancies for starters on that topic? Maybe.a.gain I’m no t trying to step on any toes here..v civil unions for gays and lesbians NOW, and work towards “marriage” (though again, my own take is if marriage is a sacrament, what is the government doing administering it anyway? Everyone should only be allowed to obtain, from the government, civil union status, “holy matrimony” can be handled by various churches/synagogues/whatever.)
I keep waiting for someone to promote gay marriage by coming at it from the other direction, i.e. heterosexual couples cannot get “partnership benefits” like health care (at least that i”m aware of, can’t say as I’ve researched this one) unless they run the risks inherent in divorce and marry, while gays can.
Would make an interesting argument anyway.
I’m not sure I”m the right person to talk about what would be considered a “moderate:” stance on gay issues…anyone else care to step up to the plate or soapbox?
November 9, 2008 at 7:58 pm
“Greta is okay in my book. One of the few who stood up against the sexism that drove this election. Too bad her forum is not larger. Greta could have a stong impact.”
She seems to have a good legal mind, and it was nice to see her used for something other than the latest “missing blonde of the week” interviews.
November 9, 2008 at 8:00 pm
I see a moderate as someone who sees both sides and attempts to form a consensus from each. When dealing with either end of the spectrum you have entrenched thought that refuses to budge. Not being a poli sci major I am merely taking a stab at what the term actually means.
I would probably consider myself a moderate if there are really only three choices: left, right, moderate.
November 9, 2008 at 8:00 pm
I’m sorry, am I misunderstanding this? The gay community can demonstrate the capacity and willingness to change? Into what? Straight people? Black people? Aside from this, next time around Obama will be the incumbent and we won’t be voting for change, we’ll be voting for the status quo.
November 9, 2008 at 8:08 pm
McCain and Palin weren’t pushing changing Roe vs. Wade. Both seemed to think those were their stances on the issue. I didn’t think they were interested in pushing their point of view on others. I can live with that.
I am a person that has a problem with religion and social stances that leave people out. If you believe in God then you have to believe God made all of us the way we are. Then how can anyone discriminate against them as long as they are not doing anything that hurts another (murder, rape, etc.)
We will all be happier when we are more inclusive than exclusive.
I am however excluding the Obama’s from my Christmas Card list.
November 9, 2008 at 8:16 pm
I just saw the most disturbing video at RedDragon’s site: http://reddragon62.blogspot.com/2008/11/ladys-and-gentelman-meet-obamas-police.html
I… I… I just don’t have any words.
November 9, 2008 at 8:31 pm
“I am a person that has a problem with religion and social stances that leave people out. If you believe in God then you have to believe God made all of us the way we are. Then how can anyone discriminate against them as long as they are not doing anything that hurts another (murder, rape, etc.)
We will all be happier when we are more inclusive than exclusive.
I am however excluding the Obama’s from my Christmas Card list.”
Hah! I imagine they will return the favor, unless their card is also an appeal for donations towards i his 2012 campaign.
I don’t agree with the McCain/Palin takes on abortion..no surprise there. But I admit that my one and only real reservation on voting for McCain given the alternative was the possibility of up to three USSC seats opening up, and more justices along the Robers/Alito lines being appointed, and not simply because of Roe.
I am always bemused that Christianity, which so many style a “loving” religion, serves as a basis for so many to spew their hatred instead. I’m also confounded that religion has become such a centerpiece of presidential campaigns. I don’t care if a candidate is Christian, Muslim, Wiccan, or atheist, as long as they keep their own religious beliefs (or lack thereof) out of national policy.
November 9, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Religion is the death knell to any form of unity. Divisive and exclusive.
November 9, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Gary, delurking. These last few days have been so painful to read your anger, anguish and disappointment. I have no words of comfort – I’ve never been motivational, however, I’m with you all the way.
You, however are motivational, and your words mean a lot and are reaching an ever increasing audience. Keep on writing with the same passion but please, take care of yourself. Same to Mawm. GLBT rights, women’s rights, Old people’s rights, children’s rights are HUMAN RIGHTS – we are not cattle,
With a gay brother, and being an early retiree who does not have a penis, having two youngsters …. this whole cycle has really opened my eyes. Fear of the “other” is rampant, and the response to the “other” lately is frightening.
November 9, 2008 at 8:58 pm
I hated this election. Not only did it impact my biological family, but my online family as well. I don’t know what happened but I miss all you guys at the Confluence. I consider your absence from there another wound in a bloody and hurtful election year and another win for Obama.
You guys are missed!
November 9, 2008 at 9:13 pm
This “Queen for a Day” attitude has to stop! I am not referring to “those” queens, but the 50s Tv game where the contestants were competing for a cash prize to be awarded to the one with the most pathetic sob story.
“Who suffered more” is the wrong question here. NO ONE should have their civil rights curtailed – it lessens each of us when one of us is belittled.
November 9, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Bonita: I had to take a break as I was really worked up but like you I love the Confluence. What sent me reeling was being told that there was something wrong with me and others who refused to take “joy” in this election when the gay community was trashed and we know how this candidate won by fraud.
But I will probably return since I love katiebird, SM, Boston Boomer, and all the other great writers. gary has given us another platform which is wonderful.
I needed to take a breather.
November 9, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Pat:
I don’t think anyone knew what to expect in terms of our reactions. I’m not over it and I don’t feel any joy. My husband told me to get over it (in a sweet way). Anyway, I told him, it’s funny how people always want to dictate to others when it’s time to move on. I see that in all the celebs who have scandals. When they are tired of answering questions, they always want to say, “let’s move on or I’ve moved on.” It so pisses me off.
All I know is that emotions are high. You, Carol, Gary, and Mawn made the Confluence special and I’m sad to see it splintered:-(
November 9, 2008 at 9:47 pm
Bonita: I have not abandoned it. I took a break. It still consists of excellent writers and commentators who have such wonderful points of view. I will get over some of depression and get back to my resolve to do something about the misogyny and hatefulness of this election.
November 9, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Rima: The first time Sarah Palin got called a cunt in the left blogosphere, policy considerations went out the fucking window. Defending Sarah became defending myself. It was me they were destroying by proxy. I can entirely understand a vote for Sarah Palin as an act of self-defense.
November 9, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Rights are for everyone. If not, they’re just privileges. That’s what stinks about the whole “My rights first, you wait your turn” bullshit. Anyone who says that hasn’t got a clue about civil or human rights or any other kind of rights. They’re just trying to grab privileges and hoping you won’t notice.
Also, I’m with julies9164: what’s everyone supposed to change to? What are we supposed to “get”? I saw the country turn blind to the most vicious bigotry I’ve seen in a presidential election. Toxic womanhating, cheap race-baiting to squelch questions, sneers at age and scars, homophobia, it was all there. Why would I want to get any of that? What’s she talking about?
November 9, 2008 at 10:54 pm
quixote, I really like your blog, would you mind if I added it to my blogroll?
November 9, 2008 at 11:06 pm
I think the most profound words ever spoken by Dr. King were: “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”
And that is what this is about. There are no civil rights, no human rights, where Justice does not apply to everyone.
November 9, 2008 at 11:11 pm
Bonita – thank you for your kind words. I’ll be here and on other sites. Hope to see you around.
November 9, 2008 at 11:17 pm
“Rima: The first time Sarah Palin got called a cunt in the left blogosphere, policy considerations went out the fucking window. Defending Sarah became defending myself. It was me they were destroying by proxy. I can entirely understand a vote for Sarah Palin as an act of self-defense.”
I can certainly understand that sentiment, but what I can’t understand is that some people didn’t just take that (defensible IMO) stand: they somehow convinced themselves that on issues, Clinton and Palin were basically interchangeable.
November 10, 2008 at 12:33 am
Well, it seems to me that the people around here ‘get it’.
I like being here. I am always around, (have been on Confluence since late spring) but I don’t talk much.
I am also an OWL, but not entirely invisible because I never married, although I do have a grown son. (Single women are a target, an upset to the way things are supposed to be, especially if they manage to take care of things on their own.)
One thing I have learned in the hate filled election is not to ‘hate’ Republicans!
November 10, 2008 at 10:43 am
Sounds as if Ms. Cannick not only can’t multi-task, but is adamantly opposed to the concept. Under her theory the question becomes, “When will my first priority ever be completed?” Clearly it won’t and therefore, everyone else is left out. I wonder how she would have felt if someone had said in the 50’s and 60’s, ” I’ve got more pressing issues?”
November 10, 2008 at 2:35 pm
garychepelhill-
I’d be honored if you did link! I haven’t putzed around with my own sidebar in years. My blogroll is changing completely when this procrastinator finally gets around to dealing with it, and this blog is one of the first going in. Given how few of us there seem to be, it’s a huge relief to find some like-minded people still out there!
By the way, my question wasn’t actually rhetorical. I really don’t understand what she thinks we’re supposed to get. Can it be explained in words of one syllable? Or is like those jokes where if you don’t see it, you aren’t going to?
November 10, 2008 at 2:36 pm
(oops. sorry. that’s obviously supposed to be “garychapelhill”!)
November 12, 2008 at 1:21 am
ugsome Says:
November 9, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Rima: The first time Sarah Palin got called a cunt in the left blogosphere, policy considerations went out the fucking window. Defending Sarah became defending myself. It was me they were destroying by proxy. I can entirely understand a vote for Sarah Palin as an act of self-defense.
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Ugsome, I felt the same way too, and still do. I will be looking toward the newly restructured Republicans, with Sarah, as a way out of this current “obamanation”.
Thanks for you post Garychappelhill.